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Also you finished your travels and
came back to Chicago and then tell me

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where did you learn art subtle. And
your for your home while we first or

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actually we were renting
an apartment. It was

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a friend of my father in law had this
apartment and it was like cotton too and it

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was I mean. It was the funniest apartment
but there was reasonable. I don't know

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how much we're paying by the way better
is reasonable. So the land owner who was

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a friend of my father in law. He and his
wife lived in the front section of the

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main floor and we were in the back and you
had to go through the back and you go in

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there and the kitchen sink
is in the living room.

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So there's a kitchen sink it was a
furnished apartment and then there was

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a sofa and then there and then the
next room. They had the stove and the

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refrigerator it was very small there
wasn't enough room for tables so there was

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a stove and a refrigerator
and then there was

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a bathroom very small bathroom and
the bedroom was so small that

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a double bed. You know fit in there
and you'd have to kind of go

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. Well we we stayed there. How
long till we stayed there.

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Oh gosh I can't remember
how long we stayed there.

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Although it wasn't

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a very long because we were married
in April. And then arts mother

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had

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a hysterectomy in June. So then we
went to live with them to help her. To

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help her and then we lived there for. See

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a short time we can't remember how long
were you there. Oh maybe I say maybe six

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months or so and then then we were
then and she improved. We went and got

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a rented another apartment which was near
Wrigley Field and we lived there for

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a while and then my father in law bought
this son apartment building and he wanted

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us to move in there and kind of manage
it so we did that. We did that we did I

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can't remember how long
that was and then then. I

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know he must have sold that building and
then we went to move in to one of my arts

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art Sr was married and they owned an
apartment building. So we went to. We

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moved in there. And we eventually bought
the building from them. One day they moved

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to California. So I don't know what area
of Chicago was that that the apartment

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building. On the north side
well it's like what the gulf

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coast or to Evanston.
Calls to the lake but

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there were. You know whether Japanese
there were Japanese room. So it was

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mostly

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a Caucasian area but some Japanese Americans
and then there had also they had apartment

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buildings too. So kind of

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a mixed residential and yes
yes. Well. And so then

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you started

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a family too. And so when was your first
child born she was born in one thousand

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and sixty. She was born on our
fifth anniversary. And what did

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you name her Becky Becky Jo.
And we. We didn't give her

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a Japanese name it was so I
won't argue didn't care but

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I think I feel. I didn't
want to get rich or have

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a nice name because I didn't want her to
be with she body armor you know it's just

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been is but it's like I didn't want
her to be identified. If there's

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a Japanese or something because
I there was no it was just

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a decision. I just made that decision that
you know Japanese me tell you where you

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a little afraid or worried that if she had

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a Japanese name that would affect
her life with all kind of kind

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because people nowadays is why don't you.
Children have Champneys names and I said

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I just didn't want to give to
them. And then you had another

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child you know here two years
later. And his name is

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Brian Arthur and he has
no Japanese name. So

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. After your kids were born. Did you
continue working outside the home or did you

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know not after they were after. Becky was
born I didn't work. I stayed home. And

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then artwork. We had the
apartment building.